{"id":3654,"date":"2019-10-28T08:17:31","date_gmt":"2019-10-28T06:17:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/existentia.com.hr\/?p=3654"},"modified":"2019-10-28T08:58:30","modified_gmt":"2019-10-28T06:58:30","slug":"milan-kosuta-traziti-dobro-u-danu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/existentia.com.hr\/hr\/milan-kosuta-traziti-dobro-u-danu\/","title":{"rendered":"Milan Ko\u0161uta: Tra\u017eiti dobro u danu"},"content":{"rendered":"

Kako prona\u0107i smisao u svakodnevnici? A kako u te\u0161kim patnjama? \u0160to egzistencijalizam mo\u017ee ponuditi \u010dovjeku? Vode\u0107i hrvatski psihijatar i egzistencijalni terapeut Milan Ko\u0161uta odgovara na ova pitanja.<\/p>\n

Kako ste se odlu\u010dili baviti psihoterapijom i za\u0161to ste se odlu\u010dili baviti ba\u0161 egzistencijalisti\u010dkom terapijom?
\n<\/strong><\/em>Tijekom studija medicine zaklju\u010dio sam da su u procesu lije\u010denja va\u017ene dvije stvari; vrhunska tehnologija i sposobnost \u010dovjeka koji pati da prepozna svoje autenti\u010dne potrebe i tako olak\u0161a proces svoga lije\u010denja ili , u idealnom slu\u010daju, izlije\u010di sam sebe. Kako mi je in\u017eenjerski pristup \u010dovjeku bio odbojan, nije mi preostalo drugo nego baviti se psihoterapijom koja u svojem temelju ima ideal pomo\u0107i \u010dovjeku da prepozna svoje autenti\u010dne potrebe. Od svih pristupa egistencijalisti\u010dko-fenomenologijski mi se \u010dinio da je “najotvoreniji”, da u njemu ima najmanje ideologije. Sve to se zbivalo u osamdesetim godinama pro\u0161loga stolje\u0107a, u periodu dok je vladala komusti\u010dka ideologija u Jugoslaviji i moja je generacija razvila neku posebnu sposobnost prepoznati totalitarizam u svemu pa i u psihoterapiji i bje\u017eali smo od svakog ideologiziranja kao vrag od tamjana. U to mi je vrijeme Viktor Frankl bio simpati\u010dniji i od Freuda i od Junga i od ostalih velikana pa sam krenuo u Be\u010d slu\u0161ati ljude iz njegovog kruga.<\/p>\n

Mo\u017eete li navesti neki trenutak u va\u0161em obrazovanju koji vam se \u010dinio klju\u010dnim za formiranje Vas kao terapeuta?<\/em><\/strong><\/div>\n
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Tri su klju\u010dna momenta. Susreti s velikim Vladetom Jeroti\u0107em, koji je istinski vjerovao u va\u017enost duhovnog \u010dovjekovog bi\u0107a. Zahtjev \u0161efa katedre za psihijatriju da napustim Kliniku za psiholo\u0161ku medicinu na Rebru zato \u0161to preferiram Frankla u odnosu na Freuda. Otvoreno pismo koje je poslao Frankl optu\u017eiv\u0161i Dru\u0161tvo za logoterapiju i egzistencijsku analizu da ne podu\u010davaju psihoterapeute u skladu s njegovim naukom. Iz svega sam zaklju\u010dio da se valja skoncentrirati na susret dvije osobe, na potragu za pravim potrebama, a ako \u010dovjek vjeruje u Boga, treba mu olak\u0161ati da odnos s Bogom bude sna\u017eniji i neposredniji.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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\u0160to mislite da egzistencijalizam mo\u017ee ponuditi \u010dovjeku, a da to ne mogu neke druge vrste terapije?\u0160to biste naveli kao prednosti, kao poseban “dar” egzistencijalisti\u010dke psihoterapije?
\n<\/strong><\/em>Egzistencijalisti\u010dka terapija, tako mi se bar \u010dini, vi\u0161e je od drugih fokusirana na \u010dovjekove mogu\u0107nosti ovdje i sada i ne bavi se niti pro\u0161lo\u0161\u0107u niti budu\u0107no\u0161\u0107u. Nema ideologije i zbog toga se psihoterapeuti pribojavaju tog pristupa. Svi bi nekakave “alate”, a alat je u svakom \u010dovjeku ne\u0161to drugo.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Egzistencijalisti\u010dka psihoterapija \u010desto se bavi pitanjima kojima se ba\u0161 ne volimo baviti svakodnevno – pitanjima smrti, bolesti, pronalaskom smisla u te\u0161kim situacijama?\u00a0<\/em> \u0160to biste preporu\u010dili na\u0161im \u010ditateljima kod ovakvih iskustva? Naravno da je pitanje slo\u017eeno, ali mo\u017eda neke smjernice za po\u010detak, neku mudrost, neki biser egzistencijalisti\u010dke terapije koji ste uvidjeli kroz praksu i vlastiti rad?<\/em>
\n<\/strong>\u010covjek mo\u017ee jadikovati kad ga sna\u0111e ne\u0161to te\u0161ko. A mo\u017ee, i to mi se \u010dini da je \u017eivot, iskoristiti lo\u0161e da otkriva sve novije i finije dijelove sebe. Pogledajte samo prazninu u o\u010dima \u010dovjeka koji nikad nije ni\u0161ta lo\u0161e do\u017eivio! Zastra\u0161uju\u0107e!<\/strong> Depresija je jedan od vode\u0107ih problema u svijetu danas.
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\nPrema podacima Svjetske zdravstvene organizacije, vi\u0161e od 300 milijuna ljudi na svijetu pati od depresije, a ona je i prvi uzrok onesposobljenosti za rad. Kako egzistencijalisti\u010dka psihoterapija gleda na depresiju?
\n<\/em><\/strong>Danas se depresijom naziva sva\u0161ta. I stanja praznine i dosade, stanja dugotrajnog besmislenog \u017eivljenja, strahovi pred dobrom, samo\u0107a i osamljenost odnosno problem ne mo\u0107i biti sam ili prona\u0107i vrijednost u tome biti sam, dugotrajna izlo\u017eenost niskim dozama stresa i da ne nabrajam dalje. Navode\u0107i sve prethodno, navodim i podru\u010dje rada tijekom egzistencijalisti\u010dko-fenomenologijske psihoterapije. Posebno je podru\u010dje strah od smrti, odnosno “znanje” o tome da je u smrti lo\u0161e. To je izuzetno va\u017eno podru\u010dje \u2013 “otvorenost” prema smrti. Kad prethodno navedena stanja traju dovoljno dugo, i kad je genetika takva da se serotoninski i sli\u010dni sustavi poremete, onda se pojavi depresija koja se lije\u010di ne samo psihoterapijom, nego i lijekovima.<\/div>\n
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U svojoj posljednjoj knjizi, Ljubavni \u017eivot profesora Baltazara Serti\u0107a, bavili ste se temom poku\u0161aja stvaranja smislenog \u017eivota. \u0160to vam se \u010dini najbitnijim kod ove pri\u010de?
\n<\/strong><\/em>Najbitnija stvar u \u017eivotu je tra\u017eiti dobro u ovome danu i prihvatiti \u010dinjenicu da postoje dani u kojima ga je te\u0161ko prona\u0107i. I onda ga opet tra\u017eiti sutradan.<\/strong> Zastupam tezu da ga je mogu\u0107e na\u0107i i tamo u poznim godinama, skroz pri kraju, i u jedinici za intenzivnu njegu dok je \u010dovjek prikop\u010dan na razli\u010dite aparate i \u010deka “onaj \u010das”. Ako dan nije obilje\u017een potragom za dobrim, manje vi\u0161e je bio uzaludan.<\/strong><\/div>\n

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Prije 20 godina napisali ste knjigu “Susret kao lijek”. Meni osobno ona jedna od najzna\u010dajnijih knjiga po pitanju psihoterapije u hrvatskom govornom podru\u010dju te mi je ozna\u010davala prekretnicu u formiranju pogleda na psihi\u010dke izazove i psihi\u010dko zdravlje. Mislim da je jednako aktualna i danas. No s obzirom na to da je pisana 1999.g., ima li ne\u0161to \u0161to biste Vi sami \u017eeljeli nadodati na nju danas?<\/em>
\n<\/strong>Samo bih jo\u0161 vi\u0161e naglasio da od analize pro\u0161losti ili budu\u0107nosti ima puno manje koristi nego \u0161to se misli. Prona\u0111i, \u010dovje\u010de, u ovih sat vremena neko dobro i idemo tako dalje.<\/div>\n

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\u0160to mislite o na\u010dinu na koji se gledaju psihi\u010dki<\/strong><\/em> problemi danas? \u010cini li vam se dobrim smjer u kojem ide psihijatrija i psihoterapija? \u0160to biste Vi preporu\u010dili?
\n<\/strong><\/em>Mi u Hrvatskoj neprestano kukamo. Od prepri\u010davanja zla bude \u010dovjeku samo gore. Svijet pati od problema pseudokomunikacije, od patolo\u0161ke vezanosti uz materijalno, od bolesne ideje da \u0107e netko ne\u0161to osvojiti pa da \u0107e biti bolje i ono posljednje; duhovno bi\u0107e \u010dovjekove i njegove autenti\u010dne potrebe nisu nikada bile tako zanemarene kao danas. Paradoksalno je da su stvoreni i sve vi\u0161e se stvaraju preduvjeti za kvalitetan i dug \u017eivot, a \u017eivota ima sve manje. Psihijatri danas premalo vjeruju da se psihoterapijom mogu posti\u0107i povoljni u\u010dinci. Psihijatri se previ\u0161e bave genetikom, biokemijom, farmakologijiom\u00a0 i sli\u010dnim podru\u010djima.<\/strong><\/div>\n
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I za kraj, \u0161to biste poru\u010dili na\u0161im \u010ditateljima? Neki biser mudrosti koji se provla\u010di kroz Va\u0161u dugogodi\u0161nju praksu i\/ili \u017eivotno iskustvo?<\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n
Nema zaklju\u010dka. Neka sve bude otvoreno.<\/div>\n

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