{"id":2293,"date":"2018-01-03T15:34:13","date_gmt":"2018-01-03T15:34:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/existentia.com.hr\/?p=2293"},"modified":"2018-01-04T12:57:25","modified_gmt":"2018-01-04T12:57:25","slug":"zasto-ljubav-boli","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/existentia.com.hr\/hr\/zasto-ljubav-boli\/","title":{"rendered":"Za\u0161to ljubav boli &#8211; intervju s Evom Illouz"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_2299\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2299\" style=\"width: 646px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"http:\/\/existentia.com.hr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/pexels-photo-580631.jpg\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-2299\" src=\"http:\/\/existentia.com.hr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/pexels-photo-580631.jpg\" alt=\"za\u0161to ljubav boli \" width=\"646\" height=\"355\" srcset=\"https:\/\/existentia.com.hr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/pexels-photo-580631.jpg 940w, https:\/\/existentia.com.hr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/pexels-photo-580631-620x341.jpg 620w, https:\/\/existentia.com.hr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/pexels-photo-580631-768x422.jpg 768w, https:\/\/existentia.com.hr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/pexels-photo-580631-920x506.jpg 920w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 646px) 100vw, 646px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-2299\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Garon Piceli<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Za\u0161to ljubav boli? Nemogu\u0107nost pronalaska veze ili problemi u odnosima ne\u0161to su sa \u010dime se dosta ljudi danas susre\u0107e. Sociologinja Eva Illouz nudi novo obja\u0161njenje ovog problema. Pro\u010ditaje intervju.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Bila sam oko sto tranica u \u010ditanju knjige Eve Illouz Za\u0161to ljubav boli kad sam krenula slati mailove svojim frendovima, poti\u010du\u0107i ih da i sami nabave knjigu. &#8220;<em>Ovo\u00a0je revolucionarno&#8221;<\/em>, rekla sam.<\/p>\n<p>Desetlje\u0107ima smo mi neo\u017eenjeni i nesretni u ljubavi, serijski monogamni i nezadovoljno o\u017eenjeni, mislili da je sve to na\u0161om krivnjom. A za\u0161to i ne bismo? Tu su bili terapeuti koji su nam govorili da nikad ne\u0107emo prona\u0107i ljubav dok ne nau\u010dimo voljeti sebe, tu je bila literatura samopomo\u0107i koja nam je govorila da moramo poraditi na svojim problemima s ocem, tu su TV serije koje su nam govorile da ne\u0161to s nama nije u redu ako nismo dovoljno mr\u0161ave, zavodiljive, seksi, oslobo\u0111ene dlaka &#8211; i da zato nismo sposobne zadr\u017eati mu\u0161karca. Dominatna ideja o odnosima bila je da ako smo same, ne\u0161to nije u redu s nama. Ne\u0161to treba popraviti. Ne\u0161to \u0161to \u0107e nam upravo oni re\u0107i kako da popravimo, ako platimo 14.95 dolara za papirnato izdanje!<\/p>\n<p>No teorija Eve Illouz ka\u017ee da vam ne treba popravak. <strong>Ona problemu ra\u0161irenog jada u vezama pristupa iz sociolo\u0161ke perspektive, pokazuju\u0107i kako dru\u0161tvo oblikuje &#8211; i uvijek je oblikovalo &#8211; formu koju veze poprimaju. A u na\u0161oj trenutnoj kulturi neprekidnog izbora, oslabljenih zavjeta, kontradiktornih pritisaka na \u017eene i mu\u0161karce i redukcije velike misterije ljubavi na znanstvena obja\u0161njenja o hormonima i psiholo\u0161kim kompleksima, Illouz ka\u017ee da je neizbje\u017eno da budemo zbunjeni oko toga kako prona\u0107i ljubav, kao i oko njene prave vrijednosti.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<div id=\"KR_ad_features_first_600x200\" data-google-query-id=\"CN6b7IqEvNgCFUiWdwodagYLjw\">\n<div id=\"google_ads_iframe_\/2602704\/features_first_600x200_0__container__\"><em>S obzirom na to kako je, moglo bi se re\u0107i, radikalna va\u0161a teorija u odnosu na klasi\u010dna obja\u0161njenja o tome za\u0161to ima toliko nesretnih u vezama, moram pitati: kako se ta ideja rodila u Vama?<\/em><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>Nisam sigurna da znam odgovor. Mogu poku\u0161ati prepri\u010dati.<\/p>\n<p>Par godina nakon \u0161to sam po\u010dela \u017eivjeti u Izraelu, trebala mi je terapija kako bih se mogla nositi s pote\u0161ko\u0107ama oko \u017eivljenja u Izraelu. \u017divjela sam kao prido\u0161lica u Francuskoj i SAD-u i dva puta sam uspjela otkriti nove kodove pona\u0161anja u te dvije zemlje, no ovdje u Izraelu sam osje\u0107ala da mi ne\u0161to uporno izmi\u010de. Pa sam oti\u0161la psihologu. Dvojici zapravo.<br \/>\n<br class=\"clearfix\" \/>Psiholozi su odbili govoriti o tom problemu iz sociolo\u0161ke perspektive, drugim rije\u010dima, kao o problemu kolektiva u kojem sam \u017eivjela. Poku\u0161ali su to svaliti na moju psihu. Meni se dru\u0161tvo \u010dinilo duboko disfunkcionalnim, a kad tamo &#8211; ja trebam poraditi na svojoj psihi da se prilagodim disfunkcionalnom okru\u017eenju.<\/p>\n<p><strong>To je u meni rezultiralo dvama stvarima: prvo, razumijevanjem da psiholo\u0161ki modovi razumijevanja, na kraju dana, sve svale na tebe.\u00a0 Mo\u017ee\u0161 \u017eivjeti u nasilnom dru\u0161tvu s vrlo nejasnim setom normi pona\u0161anja, ali bit \u0107e tvoj problem ako ne na\u0111e\u0161 na\u010din da mu se prilagodi\u0161 i bude\u0161 funkcionalan u njemu. Drugo, to me u\u010dinilo nepovratno predanom obja\u0161njavanju problema iz sociolo\u0161ke, umjesto psiholo\u0161ke perspektive.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ljubav je slijedila tu logiku. Odbacujem premisu da su veze toliko te\u0161ke radi na\u0161ih te\u0161kih djetinjstva i nezrelih psiha. Naravno, nekim ljudima mo\u017ee pomo\u0107i razgovor sa psihologom, ali mnogi na\u0161i problemi u romanti\u010dnim vezama povezani su s razli\u010ditim dru\u0161tvenim putevima koji su nametnuti dva spola.<\/p>\n<p><em>Veliki dio Va\u0161e knjige fokusira se na negativne strane koju ova pri\u010da ima po \u017eene, za koje se \u010dini da su podnijele glavni psiholo\u0161ki udarac trenutnog razvoja stvari. No \u0161to bi mogle biti \u0161tetne posljedice po mu\u0161karce? \u010cini se da se mnogi mu\u0161karci u intervjuima i istra\u017eivanjima koje spominjete dobro snalaze u \u0161vedskom stolu \u017eena s kojeg trebaju izabrati. \u010cini se da \u0107e biti te\u0161ko promijeniti smjer ako ovo ne krene lo\u0161e funkcionirati i po mu\u0161karce.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Ne mislim da moja knjiga opisuje mu\u0161karce koji se dobro zabavljaju. Zapravo ona opisuje mu\u0161karce \u010dija volja &#8211; kako ne\u0161to \u017eele, \u0161to \u017eele, koliko \u017eele, \u017eele li to \u0161to \u017eele &#8211; je duboko problemati\u010dna po njih. <strong>Mu\u0161karci s fobijom od vezivanja, ambivalentni mu\u0161karci, mu\u0161karci nesposobni za emocije, sve su to mu\u0161karci optere\u0107eni \u010dinjenicom da ne mogu htjeti vezu na na\u010din koji je zadovoljavaju\u0107 i za \u017eene i za njih.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Odlu\u010dnost i asertivnost maskuliniteta oduzeta je prostoru veza i preba\u010dena u radni prostor. Istina je da mu\u0161karci imaju ono \u0161to zovem &#8220;emocionalnom mo\u0107i&#8221; nad \u017eenama, no nisam sigurna da to zna\u010di da se &#8220;dobro snalaze na \u0161vedskom stolu \u017eena&#8221;. U trenutnoj situaciji mo\u017eda pronalaze u\u017eitak &#8211; u\u017eitak koji proizlazi iz mo\u0107i &#8211; no na kraju tog dugod dana, i oni iz toga izlaze praznih ruku, \u010dini mi se.<\/p>\n<p>Ali u pravu ste. Tako dugo dok mu\u0161karci ne budu jednakim \u017earom ne budu htjeli promijeniti trenutno stanje stvari, nije vjerojatno da \u0107e se ono pomaknuti.<\/p>\n<p><em>Meni se \u010dinilo da je mu\u0161karcima poprili\u010dno ok, iako mo\u017eda grije\u0161im, s obzirom na to kako ne-OK je ve\u0107ini \u017eena. One doista najvi\u0161e bi\u010duju sam sebe, okrivljavaju se za\u0161to nisu popravile stvar koju je trebalo popraviti kako bi bile dostojne ljubavi.\u00a0 Izvor toga bar djelomi\u010dno vidite u Freudovim teorijama, te u naglasku na psiholo\u0161kom razumijevanju odnosa,\u00a0 no za\u0161to je to onda takav nesrazmjer u tom podru\u010dju me\u0111u spolovima? Jeste li pri\u010dali i s mu\u0161karcima koji svoj manjak pristojnih odnosa tako\u0111er svaljuju na manjak ljubavi prema sebi?\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Ovdje ste djelomi\u010dno u pravu. Jedna od stvari koja me iznenadila kad sam radila ovo istra\u017eivanje je to koliko se zapravo \u010dini da je umjetnost samookrivljavanja umjetnost \u017eenske psihe. \u017dene povezuju osje\u0107aj vlastite vrijednosti s podru\u010djem ljubavi i odnosa mnogo ja\u010de nego mu\u0161karci, i kad to podru\u010dje stvara probleme i pote\u0161ko\u0107e, one to vide kao direktni odraz i prijetnju osje\u0107aju vlastite vrijednosti.<\/p>\n<p>To je ono o \u010demu govori ona otrcana izreka &#8220;mora\u0161 voljeti samog sebe prije nego \u0161to te netko drugi mo\u017ee voljeti&#8221;, a da toga zapravo nismo ni svjesni &#8211; ona kazuje kako osje\u0107aj vlastite vrijednosti morate odvojiti od tu\u0111e ljubavi za sebe, jer na njihovu se ljubav ne mo\u017ee ra\u010dunati, dok na svoju za sebe mo\u017eete.<\/p>\n<p><strong>No problem je, bar za sociologe, da nikad ne mo\u017eete biti izvorom vlastite vrijednosti. To je ideja koju su izmislili psiholozi i koja nema sociolo\u0161ko upori\u0161te. Jedini na\u010din na koji mo\u017eemo graditi osje\u0107aj vlastite vrijednosti je kroz druge i s drugima. Radi toga je izgradnja dobrih i hranjivih okoli\u0161a, poput obitelji, \u0161kola, radnih mjesta, tako va\u017ena.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Ovo je vi\u0161e komentar nego pitanje: moram priznati da se od \u010ditanja &#8220;Za\u0161to ljubav boli&#8221; osje\u0107am pomalo zarobljeno. Ako izvor problma nisam ja, tada sam jednostavno zarobljena u paradigmi nad kojom nemam kontrolu. Kad sam vjerovala da izvor problema le\u017ei u mojoj drami djetinjstva, tada je bar postojalo ne\u0161to \u0161to mogu u\u010diniti po tom pitanju.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Ja bih se osje\u0107ala mnogo zarobljenije da mislim da su razlozi radi kojih mi je te\u0161ko u seksualnim\/ljubavnim vezama u domeni moje odgovornosti, nego da mislim da ih dijele i mnogi drugi, i da zapravo nije stvar u mojoj disfunkcionalnoj psihi. Osje\u0107ala bih se mnogo zarobljenije da pomislim da ako ne\u0161to nije u redu s mojim \u017eivotom, da je to stoga \u0161to moja osobnost nije dovoljno zrela, dovoljno asertivna ili da volim previ\u0161e ili da ne volim dovoljno.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mijenjanje sebe ili &#8220;\u010dinjenje ne\u010dega&#8221;, kako vi to ka\u017eete, meni je poput Crvene Kraljice koja daje upute Alisi da tr\u010di \u0161to br\u017ee mo\u017ee, a samo kako bi ostala na jednom mjestu. Kako bi se pomaknuli nekud tim trkom, morate razumjeti stvarni uzrok problema koji vas mu\u010de.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Intervju: Jessa Crispin\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.kirkusreviews.com\/features\/love-deconstructed\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Izvor<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Za\u0161to ljubav boli? Nemogu\u0107nost pronalaska veze ili problemi u odnosima ne\u0161to su sa \u010dime se dosta ljudi danas susre\u0107e. 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